Inscriptions: Discussion Thread

[The Herbalizer]

Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

First of all, my join date has nothing to do with how long I've been playing the game. Nice assumptions there pal.

Second of all, just because in the past people have taken longer, or "worked" harder to get something doesnt mean the system shouldnt be changed. It's called progress. It's like saying we shouldnt change from a horse and carriage to an automobile because our forefathers had to work harder to travel anywhere so it's not fair to them.

In your way of thinking, things would never improve in the game. For example, Balthazar's faction points would have never been double recently because it wouldnt have been fair for people in the past who were only earning half the rate now. So please, why should we let the supposed value of people's stash prevent improvements in the game?

A automobile is more efficient than a horse and carriage. A 15>50 short sword is as good as a 15>50 crystalline sword. A better example would be, instead of some people owning cheap clothing which does the job intended everyone gets designer clothing which does the same job as cheap clothing but is better looking in some peoples opionions and more expensive.

After seeing pics of items with inscriptions it doesnt matter if they are allowed in prophecies or cantha as they say they have been added to an item. People can have their inscription items but they will always be viewed by some as "inferior" when compared to a non-inscription version.

[Franco]

Well said above, this was the way of Anet fixing things like it was mentioned in that 75 pages of flaming thread a suggestion of puting the inscription name on the item where it was used, and thats what they did ).

[Sid Soggybottom]

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

A automobile is more efficient than a horse and carriage. A 15>50 short sword is as good as a 15>50 crystalline sword. A better example would be, instead of some people owning cheap clothing which does the job intended everyone gets designer clothing which does the same job as cheap clothing but is better looking in some peoples opionions and more expensive.

Dude, you completely missed the point of my analogy and instead used some crummy analogy in which it's whole basis is on being superficial. The whole inscription system has very little with "designer" stuff. There is no such thing as "designer" weapons except to people like you who play the game strictly for it's "uber" looking items.

It's just laughable that you fight to keep your "designer" labels and not care about improving the system on the whole. I'm just glad that ANET is moving in the direction of implementing inscriptions in future Chapters as well.

[manitoba1073]

Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

It's even more flexible than that, you can put melee mods like 15^50 on staffs (don't know why you would, but you CAN). Found that out while monkeying with the weapon creator yesterday.

However, you can't put caster mods on melee weapons.

well i think that may be a bug but who knows.

[The Herbalizer]

Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Dude, you completely missed the point of my analogy and instead used some crummy analogy in which it's whole basis is on being superficial. The whole inscription system has very little with "designer" stuff. There is no such thing as "designer" weapons except to people like you who play the game strictly for it's "uber" looking items.

It's just laughable that you fight to keep your "designer" labels and not care about improving the system on the whole. I'm just glad that ANET is moving in the direction of implementing inscriptions in future Chapters as well.

So the more desirable weapons which one would think are better looking are not desirable for superficial reasons? People sure as hell dont pay more for a weapon because it is better stat wise. The only time they do is in the case of nerfed items. However, we are not referring to them. A 15>50 short sword / spartha etc is as good as a 15>50 fellblade, crystalline etc. The only reason people pay more for items is because they are rare or good looking. There are infact "designer weapons" which demand the prices they do because they are more exclusive or in some people's opinions better looking. These items are known as high-end items which are relatively exclusive just like designer clothes. To argue that there are no designer or high end or upmarket items is baffling considering people pay 100k +1750 Ectos for Req 8 15>50 Crystalline swords.

If people played the game and did not care about looks they would all be content with collectors item and greens. However, it appears some support the idea of inscriptions so they can get their favourite skinned items quickly and cheaply. Therefore they care about an items appearance. So therefore it would seem that inscriptions allow people to obtain their favourite skinned items with relative ease. The addition of inscriptions therefore has everything to do with designer/vanity/high-end/upmarket items. The only time this might not apply is in the case of +10al shields and caster items. But if the addition of inscriptions was not for vanity reasons you would think it would be easier to add a few more collectors items to cover the missing +10al shields and caster collectors items.

Since when have I said that I play the game for the best items only? In the 1500 hours I have logged in the 1 year + I have played I have spent very few hours attempting to make any gold and is one of my arguments why wealth does not equal grind. However, people are so unbelievably ignorant and assume that anyone who has any form of wealth must grind for it.

I dont have a problem with inscritpions if an item says it has one added. I would however care if they did not and would mean thousands of people have wasted their time in aquiring items which could be obtained quickly and cheaply through inscriptions.

[LuckyGiant]

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

So the more desirable weapons which one would think are better looking are not desirable for superficial reasons? People sure as hell dont pay more for a weapon because it is better stat wise. The only time they do is in the case of nerfed items. However, we are not referring to them. A 15>50 short sword / spartha etc is as good as a 15>50 fellblade, crystalline etc. The only reason people pay more for items is because they are rare or good looking. There are infact "designer weapons" which demand the prices they do because they are more exclusive or in some people's opinions better looking. These items are known as high-end items which are relatively exclusive just like designer clothes. To argue that there are no designer or high end or upmarket items is baffling considering people pay 100k +1750 Ectos for Req 8 15>50 Crystalline swords.

If people played the game and did not care about looks they would all be content with collectors item and greens. However, it appears some support the idea of inscriptions so they can get their favourite skinned items quickly and cheaply. Therefore they care about an items appearance. So therefore it would seem that inscriptions allow people to obtain their favourite skinned items with relative ease. The addition of inscriptions therefore has everything to do with designer/vanity/high-end/upmarket items. The only time this might not apply is in the case of +10al shields and caster items. But if the addition of inscriptions was not for vanity reasons you would think it would be easier to add a few more collectors items to cover the missing +10al shields and caster collectors items.

Since when have I said that I play the game for the best items only? In the 1500 hours I have logged in the 1 year + I have played I have spent very few hours attempting to make any gold and is one of my arguments why wealth does not equal grind. However, people are so unbelievably ignorant and assume that anyone who has any form of wealth must grind for it.

I dont have a problem with inscritpions if an item says it has one added. I would however care if they did not and would mean thousands of people have wasted their time in aquiring items which could be obtained quickly and cheaply through inscriptions.

So true.

Also anyone trying to argue against the inscriptions name showing is going to contradict themselves, why? because you can make your 15>50 crystalline (assuming the skin is in nightfall but its the point that counts) for reasonably cheap, the only difference with be the ascetics of the stats ^^
In other words you'd become as bad as the people you complain at for caring about such issues.

[Sid Soggybottom]

Originally Posted by LuckyGiant

So true.

Also anyone trying to argue against the inscriptions name showing is going to contradict themselves, why? because you can make your 15>50 crystalline (assuming the skin is in nightfall but its the point that counts) for reasonably cheap, the only difference with be the ascetics of the stats ^^
In other words you'd become as bad as the people you complain at for caring about such issues.

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

I dont have a problem with inscritpions if an item says it has one added. I would however care if they did not and would mean thousands of people have wasted their time in aquiring items which could be obtained quickly and cheaply through inscriptions.

And I have no problem with an inscription customizing/naming/whatever to my weapon. I seriously dont care for the superficial labels you all seem to like. Nor am I interested in those ugly crystalline swords. I'd just like the system to eventually cover all campaigns. Gives more variety and flexibility and just gets rid of the messiness of sorting out what weapons can and can't be inscribed, you know?

[Sid Soggybottom]

Originally Posted by LuckyGiant

So true.

Also anyone trying to argue against the inscriptions name showing is going to contradict themselves, why? because you can make your 15>50 crystalline (assuming the skin is in nightfall but its the point that counts) for reasonably cheap, the only difference with be the ascetics of the stats ^^
In other words you'd become as bad as the people you complain at for caring about such issues.

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

I dont have a problem with inscritpions if an item says it has one added. I would however care if they did not and would mean thousands of people have wasted their time in aquiring items which could be obtained quickly and cheaply through inscriptions.

And I have no problem with an inscription customizing/naming/whatever to my weapon. I seriously dont care for the superficial labels you all seem to like. Nor am I interested in those ugly crystalline swords. I'd just like the system to eventually cover all campaigns. Gives more variety and flexibility and just gets rid of the messiness of sorting out what weapons can and can't be inscribed, you know?

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

But if the addition of inscriptions was not for vanity reasons you would think it would be easier to add a few more collectors items to cover the missing +10al shields and caster collectors items.

This is completely wrong however. Do you realize how many different possible combinations of shields and caster items there are? Thousands. If you seriously think they should just put collectors for each possible combination then uhh you're just nuts.

[Rok]

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

So the more desirable weapons which one would think are better looking are not desirable for superficial reasons? People sure as hell dont pay more for a weapon because it is better stat wise. The only time they do is in the case of nerfed items. However, we are not referring to them. A 15>50 short sword / spartha etc is as good as a 15>50 fellblade, crystalline etc. The only reason people pay more for items is because they are rare or good looking. There are infact "designer weapons" which demand the prices they do because they are more exclusive or in some people's opinions better looking. These items are known as high-end items which are relatively exclusive just like designer clothes. To argue that there are no designer or high end or upmarket items is baffling considering people pay 100k +1750 Ectos for Req 8 15>50 Crystalline swords.

If people played the game and did not care about looks they would all be content with collectors item and greens. However, it appears some support the idea of inscriptions so they can get their favourite skinned items quickly and cheaply. Therefore they care about an items appearance. So therefore it would seem that inscriptions allow people to obtain their favourite skinned items with relative ease. The addition of inscriptions therefore has everything to do with designer/vanity/high-end/upmarket items. The only time this might not apply is in the case of +10al shields and caster items. But if the addition of inscriptions was not for vanity reasons you would think it would be easier to add a few more collectors items to cover the missing +10al shields and caster collectors items.

Since when have I said that I play the game for the best items only? In the 1500 hours I have logged in the 1 year + I have played I have spent very few hours attempting to make any gold and is one of my arguments why wealth does not equal grind. However, people are so unbelievably ignorant and assume that anyone who has any form of wealth must grind for it.

I dont have a problem with inscritpions if an item says it has one added. I would however care if they did not and would mean thousands of people have wasted their time in aquiring items which could be obtained quickly and cheaply through inscriptions.

You keep comparing rares vs nonrares when that doesn't even apply. Just take any 2 swords with the same skin both max dmg 1 purple with 17% under 50% req 7 and a gold 15% over 50% but req 13. I should be allowed to remove both inscriptions and put the one I want on the req 7. Because low req is better. One inscription is better than the other. That is the point.

[The Herbalizer]

Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

This is completely wrong however. Do you realize how many different possible combinations of shields and caster items there are? Thousands. If you seriously think they should just put collectors for each possible combination then uhh you're just nuts.

I was thinking more along the lines of the more popular/desirable ones i.e. +30hp +10al etc. The pvp players have to spent hundreds of k to obtain some and introducing collectors versions would be nice for them. Obviously there is little point in adding +10al vs monsters or -2stance +1 20% blood as they are no way near as popular.

[milias]

Originally Posted by Jetdoc

The 20% recharge to all spells may not be available on wands/focii, however, which would make the attribute-specific one more valuable for those items.

If so, I may rethink my weapon/focus preference and may go to a staff for that added bonus.

Can anyone confirm whether this is or isn't the case?

[SilentAssassin]

I love this inscription system, rly love it.

Full customization for weapons = perfect !!

[Nikkita Darkbow]

I think that if you customize a tyrian or canthan weapon it should then become inscribable. That is the only fair thing to do.

[The Primeval King]

I've been wanting to change my 15k platemail armor into gladiators with the inscriptions. I don't have Nightfall yet so I don't know if it is possible, but from what I've been hearing it isn't. We should start a petition: Allow armor inscriptions to be used on Tyrian and Factions armor. It isn't like the economy would change drastically like it would if certain rare weapons (ex:dwarven axes) could be inscribed. It would just allow us to wear the type of armor that we think looks the best with the mods we want.

[ktadie]

hmm im confused..

can we only add the inscriptions mods on Elona items? or all items?
i know that we can only salvage the mods from Elona items.

[Sid Soggybottom]

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

I was thinking more along the lines of the more popular/desirable ones i.e. +30hp +10al etc. The pvp players have to spent hundreds of k to obtain some and introducing collectors versions would be nice for them. Obviously there is little point in adding +10al vs monsters or -2stance +1 20% blood as they are no way near as popular.

And that is exactly why the inscription system is so great. It gives players who want unpopular combination of mods a chance to craft them.

I think at the very least the inscription system should apply to past shields/wands/focii. Your arguments that there are cheap collectors/greens versions of those dont apply to those items. Using your analogy, there are only "brand name" versions but not a single cheap version for a lot of combinations.

[Evls Pwn]

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

I was thinking more along the lines of the more popular/desirable ones i.e. +30hp +10al etc. The pvp players have to spent hundreds of k to obtain some and introducing collectors versions would be nice for them. Obviously there is little point in adding +10al vs monsters or -2stance +1 20% blood as they are no way near as popular.

actually, 20% blood is used more than your think...

[lacasner]

I agree, its bs that its Elonian only. And this is why. All of those players who are millionares (yes, I fall in this category) should get what they deserve. I want justice to be done to me.

These vanity items are and were assigned values by the players only. My
15^50 fellblade has a merch value of 300gp. So, why can I sell it for 100k+10 ecto then? Because players assigned it this value.

This inscription and insignia stuff has made an unbalance between chapters, and it is a petty way for Anet to make players to buy this b.s. of a chapter called Nightfall. Honestly, Nightfall is the same mercedes prophecies and factions was, except with a new paint job and a revamped interior. Its engine is still the same, and handling as well.

Im willing to take a loss for the good of the game with my item value, but thats fine. Because really if Anet doesn't make it universal, they would be contradicting their own philosophy of game equality, which is what this whole game is built around.

[NTsan]

Originally Posted by lacasner

Im willing to take a loss for the good of the game with my item value, but thats fine. Because really if Anet doesn't make it universal, they would be contradicting their own philosophy of game equality, which is what this whole game is built around.

They tought about game "balance" not equality

It is not the same between those two

Equality doesn't exist in this world, there is always people who got more privilege than others, well except strict communist country (ie China in Mo era) where everyone is equally poor.

Why people would spend extra money for exactly the same stuff as the original chapter? that would mean less appeal for them to buy it since it is all the same

[arcady]

Originally Posted by Y.T.

well i hope we'll be able to salvage those inscriptions

I slavaged one last night.

I have no idea what to do with it, but there it is in my inventory (and if nobody else does, I'll do up a screenshot - but I suspect they'll be common enough real soon now)...

The problem is finding something inscribable.